The lack of hitstun is what made Brawl a unique game. Instead of getting guaranteed combos, you had to follow up on your hits by using reads, conditioning, baits, frame traps etc.
Sometimes you'd incorrectly guess your opponent's landing option and they would get a free reset to neutral. Melee players believe that you're supposed to get a huge reward for hitting your opponent in a certain way, so it was difficult for them to accept Brawl's changes in that aspect. The hatred towards Brawl rose significantly after the smash melee documentary was released. Additionally, PM players picked up on the hatred and began trash talking Brawl on social media as well.
It's true that many melee veterans stopped hating Brawl in the past few years, but so many people joined the melee community after watching the documentary, which portrayed Brawl in a negative way. Louis Tursi Smash Cadet. Joined Dec 13, Messages Gomez said:. BlueXenon : Brawl is my least favorite game, hardly for any reason concerning physics as much as the fact that Melee is far more balanced. I guess the game's pacing doesn't concern me as much as the diversity of the playing field.
The balance in Brawl was bad enough that about a year into it, my friends and I had to mod it to really be satisfied with it, even as 'casual' players. On the other hand, while I would like it if it was easier to take off stocks in Sm4sh, I still enjoy the game a lot because it has a really finely tuned roster full of completely different playstyles. And it's pretty clear that the game is designed around two stock matches, so the pacing is not that bad.
Well, that's not to say Melee is perfectly balanced. If anything, I think both 64 and 4 are better than Melee in this regard.
But I think it's kind of a blessing that Fox ended up on top and not someone else just because of how technical he is; his skill curve gives players reasons to try and master him, but also plenty of reasons to practice with someone else Metaknight doesn't give you that. Furthermore, it's not just about character viability spread, it's also counter relationships. I could never call a game that has such a polarizing character like Dedede "balanced". O ChangeOfHeart said:.
It's not that far away anymore man, people can now demolish him just like he can do the same. As the Tier list, you are wrong, the Tier list has changed at least like four times now, so? That's more than Smsh and Melee combined. And the Brawl Tier list was the MOST popular Tier list at that time and tbh it still is but in a vague self-image if that makes any sense.
And look man, the users have arrived to defend Brawl, do you see what I mean? Despite the fact that the WFC connection was disabled and people still want to play the game, why? Because it's a "good" game or just defend it, idk why they're here, I'll just write they enjoy Brawl whether it's just a title of the Smash franchise or a game they play still and enjoy. Last edited: May 15, I never said Metaknight is unbeatable. I said he's on top of everybody else, and he always has been. He has the best matchup spread and he's the easiest to play; this is reflected in tournament results.
Just because certain characters have decent matchups against him doesn't mean he isn't overcentralizing. All Brawl's tier list "popularity" whatever that means indicates is that's how many times certain character placings have changed.
That doesn't mean the meta itself changes significantly; a majority of the characters you mentioned were top contenders for a long time, and even still, Metaknight remained a stronger pick than any of them.
Your posts are hard to read, so I'll just stop there. No, if you want to be stubborn and write he's the best and here's clearly not anymore, so who is? Ice Climbers simple as that, if you were to ever write Ice Climbers aren't better, then by all means challenge a good Ice Climbers that know how to Chain Grab and somewhat play a strong offense game.
Now compare that to MK were you"ll be playing a character that is fast with low damage attacks and a Nado that can be broken through by smart timing first three frames or strong attacks like for example Donkey Kong's Giant Punch. As for the rest of my comment, it reads fine but it's for the best since you will be stubborn towards those viewpoints as well.
Do you notice how every top melee and smash4 player uses multiple characters to win? They do that for the purpose of counterpicking. If a character has a near-unwinnable match up against DDD, the player can use a different character.
Last edited: May 16, He's still a very strong character, but he's not the best anymore. Of course it's quite difficult to convince since the majority will believe I'm a "scrub" whatever that means since I wont admit he's not the best anymore. Well, that's exactly the problem, isn't it?
The best way you could prove your point is to look through all of recent tourney results and show that Metaknight is going to move down a tier. Currently I don't see it, but if you could back it up, you could change someone's mind. Last edited: May 17, ProjectilePuff Smash Apprentice. I really wish more people would experiment with Brawl instead of perishing it.
This is what i partially hate about a portion of the Melee and possibly the Smash 4 or even SMASH 64 communities, they're ignorant of Brawl's competitive potential. Change shouldn't be seen negatively, just because a game doesn't turn out how you expect doesn't mean you instantly bash it. John Onefifteen Smash Cadet. Played brawl for the first time after a long melee and PM only hiatus and I literally thought I was playing it in slow mo. I don't shun it because "its not melee". I love sm4sh and play it frequently.
I just don't see the competitive aspect of brawl. Its a slow game that rewards defensive play, I understand what sakurai was trying to do but it just didn't translate well.
I understand it has its upsides but if you look at it brawl just does not compare to any of the other games. Brawl will forever be the black sheep of the series. So exactly how does Smash-4 reward with offense play? And you write Brawl is "slow" yet I see Smash-4 as slow and Brawl faster.
So here's what I just right now, I just compared the campest matches which is no doubt Snake and Wario, Sonic was a runner up but Wario is worse even Toonlink. I chose these two matches for a reason, you'll find out what I mean after you watched them both. I could choose to show the superiority of Brawl with some amazing matches, but I chose the campiest matches of both games for a reason. Honestly, I believe you don't do any advanced techniques but play Snake and camp which is your choice.
Do not write back that "that's the only way to play" I'll gladly Brawl you and be nothing but aggressive and you'll see the difference. Brawl is fine, it's the player not the game. Unless you just despise Brawl for the obvious of the flaws of Brawl which is tripping and MK which is what I truly believe you despise to admit.
And for one Brawl isn't nerf-ed like Smash Why in the world do you tolerate Smash-4 and not Brawl? I seriously ran back to Brawl after playing Smash-4 for a whole week. What actually forces myself to chuckle and that's rare to view is Smash-4 has no techniques to begin with, nerf-ed like a PG show, and Brawl designed but slower and worse no shield stun, no edge guarding, weak damage ratio, Online play still laggy and so on so how can other people tolerate the game when it's beyond simple as I wrote down should become "perished" and laughed at by Melee to be the first.
The Smash world makes no sense, everyone is high on Cough Syrup. Last edited: May 18, Last edited: May 19, See that's what you need to understand, it's the player not the game; however, for Smash-4 you must realize the game doesn't show the same tradition the other games showed.
And yes you know now it was "reasonably paced" you might think I'm insane, but the link that I linked to you about Brawl was slow to myself. I feel you haven't experienced what true "fast paced" Brawl is. As for the play of the Ice Climbers, it was okay, please go watch 9B now. Anyways, you understood somewhat that Brawl isn't what it is seen in the people's eye towards "Brawl sucks" "Brawl is slow" and so forth. Thanks man.
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